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We have fans giving Napier flowers because we played hard

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Is playing hard good for half a win?

Did we get closer to bowl eligibility because we played hard?

What did playing hard get us besides the loss?

I'm happy we played hard. I'd be happier if we played hard and got a win.
 

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I wanted to win too.

Everyone does.

But after the way we were hit with injuries, it was good to see our players still play hard.

It's okay to say that youre happy with the effort and still not be happy that we didn't win.
 
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Fans aren’t just happy we’re playing hard. We look like a dangerous football team with lagway and our defense is playing well. Napier and this team look completely different than the first 2.3 season of this regime. Florida wins yesterday without lagway getting hurt.
 
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I don't know.

I don't at all want to take away from the fight the players showed on Saturday. They were all in and put it on the line until the very end. Billy Napier and his staff deserve credit for that.

Does that change the projection of the program under him or mean that he should be retained?

I don't think so.

Despite injuries, if you are able to take the No. 2 team down to the wire in your first season - that is without question a positive sign and something to build on.

If you are able to do it in your second season, it's nice, but somewhat less impressive.

Here in the third season, with 33 games to judge him on, as I stated above, they deserve credit for not giving up, but is it a game changer?

If Napier was 5-9 or 6-8 against ranked opponents heading into the game, you could justify that loss a little better. However, he was 2-12, and is now 2-13.

If Napier had been 4-6 or 5-5 against traditional rivals heading into the game, you can forgive a loss there. However, he was 1-9, and is now 1-10.

As it is, the progress shown is that the game wasn't a blowout. Three years in, is being competitive a mountain you want to plant your flag on?

33 games in, there is no number you can point to where you can say that this is proof that he has this on the right track.

15-18 overall
10-18 overall against FBS opponents
2-13 against ranked opponents
1-10 against traditional rivals
8-13 in the SEC
3-9 against SEC opponents away from the Swamp
 

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I don't know.

I don't at all want to take away from the fight the players showed on Saturday. They were all in and put it on the line until the very end. Billy Napier and his staff deserve credit for that.

Does that change the projection of the program under him or mean that he should be retained?

I don't think so.

Despite injuries, if you are able to take the No. 2 team down to the wire in your first season - that is without question a positive sign and something to build on.

If you are able to do it in your second season, it's nice, but somewhat less impressive.

Here in the third season, with 33 games to judge him on, as I stated above, they deserve credit for not giving up, but is it a game changer?

If Napier was 5-9 or 6-8 against ranked opponents heading into the game, you could justify that loss a little better. However, he was 2-12, and is now 2-13.

If Napier had been 4-6 or 5-5 against traditional rivals heading into the game, you can forgive a loss there. However, he was 1-9, and is now 1-10.

As it is, the progress shown is that the game wasn't a blowout. Three years in, is being competitive a mountain you want to plant your flag on?

33 games in, there is no number you can point to where you can say that this is proof that he has this on the right track.

15-18 overall
10-18 overall against FBS opponents
2-13 against ranked opponents
1-10 against traditional rivals
8-13 in the SEC
3-9 against SEC opponents away from the Swamp
Overwhelming stats to live with. Napier is a very good human being and a fine man but, his salary, the school he is coaching, make this unacceptable. Somehow though, I worry that Strickland and the money donors might be reluctant to pull the trigger. I hope I am wrong, because there will be multiple coaches I believe would come here with the support system, facilities, and the fertile recruiting ground we live in and apparently now excellent NIL we have in place. Auburn, I believe will fire Freeze, and multiple teams will go after Cignetti or Kiffin. I believe at the end of this season; the time will then be the time to move, or we will have to wait multiple years to have a successful Coach in place.
 
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I don't know.

I don't at all want to take away from the fight the players showed on Saturday. They were all in and put it on the line until the very end. Billy Napier and his staff deserve credit for that.

Does that change the projection of the program under him or mean that he should be retained?

I don't think so.

Despite injuries, if you are able to take the No. 2 team down to the wire in your first season - that is without question a positive sign and something to build on.

If you are able to do it in your second season, it's nice, but somewhat less impressive.

Here in the third season, with 33 games to judge him on, as I stated above, they deserve credit for not giving up, but is it a game changer?

If Napier was 5-9 or 6-8 against ranked opponents heading into the game, you could justify that loss a little better. However, he was 2-12, and is now 2-13.

If Napier had been 4-6 or 5-5 against traditional rivals heading into the game, you can forgive a loss there. However, he was 1-9, and is now 1-10.

As it is, the progress shown is that the game wasn't a blowout. Three years in, is being competitive a mountain you want to plant your flag on?

33 games in, there is no number you can point to where you can say that this is proof that he has this on the right track.

15-18 overall
10-18 overall against FBS opponents
2-13 against ranked opponents
1-10 against traditional rivals
8-13 in the SEC
3-9 against SEC opponents away from the Swamp
These are all good and valid points, and I don't want to diminish the importance of the record on the field.
But, unfortunately, it does not really look at the whole picture.
People tend to ignore the state of the Florida football program, looking only at three "national championships" and concluding that it's some sort of God-given right that Florida should be winning championships every year.
This attitude ignores the fact that Florida has been playing football since 1906 and didn't win an SEC championship until 1984 - that's 78 years for the math-impaired.
So the program is not really on par with some of the other major brands.
People also tend to ignore the fact the the football program had been behind the rest of the SEC in status of the football infrastructure - from lack of an IPF, outdated locker rooms, lack of modern housing, etc.
The program finally caught up with the rest of the SEC two years ago, but now everyone else is updating facilities they already had built.
The status of the team's personnel has been noted many times in terms of lack of SEC talent, especially along the OL and DL.
While Napier has recruited well and general talent level has improved, I think the one valid criticism has been lack of depth at some key positions.
Napier has emphasized improving the culture, which I think has been underestimated and misunderstood by the average fan who has never had to compete on an elite level.
This includes discipline, focus, mental attitude and leadership, which Napier has noted had been absent.
One should not underestimate the role of upper classmen in providing this leadership in terms of example setting.
Florida has lacked this, as evidence in last year's roster that had few seniors/juniors and had to play true freshmen at multiple positions.
This should improve as the roster adds more experience, and I think it has improved over the course of this year.
Some people wanted a quick fix to the program, but I am not sure any coach, outside of Nick Saban, could have provided that.
Maybe other coaches could have done it quicker, but regardless, I think a crash-and-burn needed to be done to the roster.
Some losing years were inevitable.
As for the subject of this post, the fact that the team has been playing hard is important in providing the mental attitude of the team.
Think about the opposite - a team loaded with five-stars that do not play hard ... this would surely result in a losing record in the SEC.
I also am not saying Napier is out of the woods yet, since there are more games to be played.
I would like to see how the rest of the season goes to see if they continue to play hard, or if they pack it in as in previous years, most notably in Mullen's last year.
When the season is done, I think we will be able to better judge the state of the program in terms of is it moving forward or not.
 

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These are all good and valid points, and I don't want to diminish the importance of the record on the field.
But, unfortunately, it does not really look at the whole picture.
People tend to ignore the state of the Florida football program, looking only at three "national championships" and concluding that it's some sort of God-given right that Florida should be winning championships every year.
This attitude ignores the fact that Florida has been playing football since 1906 and didn't win an SEC championship until 1984 - that's 78 years for the math-impaired.
So the program is not really on par with some of the other major brands.
People also tend to ignore the fact the the football program had been behind the rest of the SEC in status of the football infrastructure - from lack of an IPF, outdated locker rooms, lack of modern housing, etc.
The program finally caught up with the rest of the SEC two years ago, but now everyone else is updating facilities they already had built.
The status of the team's personnel has been noted many times in terms of lack of SEC talent, especially along the OL and DL.
While Napier has recruited well and general talent level has improved, I think the one valid criticism has been lack of depth at some key positions.
Napier has emphasized improving the culture, which I think has been underestimated and misunderstood by the average fan who has never had to compete on an elite level.
This includes discipline, focus, mental attitude and leadership, which Napier has noted had been absent.
One should not underestimate the role of upper classmen in providing this leadership in terms of example setting.
Florida has lacked this, as evidence in last year's roster that had few seniors/juniors and had to play true freshmen at multiple positions.
This should improve as the roster adds more experience, and I think it has improved over the course of this year.
Some people wanted a quick fix to the program, but I am not sure any coach, outside of Nick Saban, could have provided that.
Maybe other coaches could have done it quicker, but regardless, I think a crash-and-burn needed to be done to the roster.
Some losing years were inevitable.
As for the subject of this post, the fact that the team has been playing hard is important in providing the mental attitude of the team.
Think about the opposite - a team loaded with five-stars that do not play hard ... this would surely result in a losing record in the SEC.
I also am not saying Napier is out of the woods yet, since there are more games to be played.
I would like to see how the rest of the season goes to see if they continue to play hard, or if they pack it in as in previous years, most notably in Mullen's last year.
When the season is done, I think we will be able to better judge the state of the program in terms of is it moving forward or not.
Man you need to be writing stories.