2020 Recruiting Slump

Olivia Granaiola
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mirrors 2019's in the way that the Gators recruiting staff turned up the heat right before eNSD and NSD and ended with a Top 10 class.

However, it seems to me like more of the top players are committing early instead of pushing it to the last second like many did last year. The urgency of "holding your spot before it goes to someone else" is making its way. Barring some de-commitments, Florida is in a tough spot right now. It is June, but with many top players of the board, the Gators staff will once again need to regroup.

It looks like it's time to hang it up with Bowman and Lee seems much more out of the picture than he was a few months ago. Joel Williams isn't gone for good, but a difficult recruitment will ensue. Chantz Williams is very much in the mix, but it looks to be a Florida-Georgia battle so take that how you'd like to. Based on conversations with trusted sources, Avantae Williams is all but a Bulldog. Finally, Jahquez Robinson is on campus more than I am, but he's months-deep into his Bama commitment.

Florida might come out the other side looking good for the third consecutive year, but the program also might not.
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To add some positivity to the post, Tim Smith comes around a lot and seems to be forming better and better relationships with Turner and the DTs.

Xzavier Henderson, CJ's brother, looks to be holding out on Clemson. This year, players can only hold out on Clemson for so long.

My colleague, Jackson, talks to Issiah Walker a lot and told me he's always willing to talk, he's just quiet. But, always being willing to talk in recruiting is significant. He is another frequent flier to Gainesville.

Sa'vell Smalls is pretty quiet about his recruitment, but he has been chopping his list down and Florida is still on the Washington native's radar.
G8rJD
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So it's gonna get worse n worse this year...awesome as long as we can land a couple good receivers and shore up the dline I guess that's all we can hope for at this point...sad...but reality is sometimes
Bd489
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Painful this year. I like Mullen and think he averages 10 wins per season. But if that includes bowl games it won't get us in the playoffs. Imagine what he could do with higher initially ranked talent!
Swamp_Thing
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Mullen will continue to recruit in that 8-12 range. He'll win 8-10 games a season and we'll be what UGA used to be with Richt.
Eric-UF
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Let's try and wrap some context around this and not lose sight of the fact that there are TONs of elite and great recruits on the board.....and 6 months to close on them.

Let's also not forget that this time last year, Khris Bogle was pretty much not happening....Diabate, Henderson, Hill, and Wright were not on the board or known to be a chance of signing with Florida.

Not to mention that Hammond, Zipperer, Summerall, Black, and Steele were all leaning or committed to other programs (granted, 2 of them dropped out, but that was not a lack of recruiting them).

Which elite prospects have we really missed out on this cycle?.....Beck and Bowman?..who else?


Which elite WR or TE have we missed on?

At OL, we missed on Rivers and Braun, but are still heavily in the mix for Walker in a cycle where we dont have a huge need.

Is not our DT class pretty damn solid with a chance to get even better? Who have we really lost at DT that would have been better than what we currently have?

At SDE, who have we missed on? We have 3 elite prospect we are still in the mix for...

At Rush / WDE, who have we missed on here?

LB, granted this board is not that strong....but there are still a lot of elite targets still on the board and many of whom we have had on campus and are in the hunt for. But who has the staff missed on that they were in heavy pursuit of?

DB - Avantae Williams will likely be a miss and Burns was a miss (though not sure how hot the staff was after him)....but we still have some top targets already committed in Helm and Torrence with plenty of elite options left on the board....

Point is...it is bad news that a good OL target Braun went to Georgia and bad news a good DB decommited....but it is not the end of the world...the sun came up this morning and this too shall pass....

Just as the staff closed strong the past 2 years with guys we didnt think were in the mix and guys we thought we had little to no chance of getting....they will do the same this year...
Eric-UF
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Swamp_Thing said:

Mullen will continue to recruit in that 8-12 range. He'll win 8-10 games a season and we'll be what UGA used to be with Richt.


Agree with the first part, disagree completely with the second...Mullen will be good for 9 to 11 wins and an SEC Championship appearance probably every 3 years...all he has to effectively do is beat Georgia..which I think he can do 50% of the time.
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Eric-UF said:

Let's try and wrap some context around this and not lose sight of the fact that there are TONs of elite and great recruits on the board.....and 6 months to close on them.

Let's also not forget that this time last year, Khris Bogle was pretty much not happening....Diabate, Henderson, Hill, and Wright were not on the board or known to be a chance of signing with Florida.

Not to mention that Hammond, Zipperer, Summerall, Black, and Steele were all leaning or committed to other programs (granted, 2 of them dropped out, but that was not a lack of recruiting them).

Which elite prospects have we really missed out on this cycle?.....Beck and Bowman?..who else?


Which elite WR or TE have we missed on?

At OL, we missed on Rivers and Braun, but are still heavily in the mix for Walker in a cycle where we dont have a huge need.

Is not our DT class pretty damn solid with a chance to get even better? Who have we really lost at DT that would have been better than what we currently have?

At SDE, who have we missed on? We have 3 elite prospect we are still in the mix for...

At Rush / WDE, who have we missed on here?

LB, granted this board is not that strong....but there are still a lot of elite targets still on the board and many of whom we have had on campus and are in the hunt for. But who has the staff missed on that they were in heavy pursuit of?

DB - Avantae Williams will likely be a miss and Burns was a miss (though not sure how hot the staff was after him)....but we still have some top targets already committed in Helm and Torrence with plenty of elite options left on the board....

Point is...it is bad news that a good OL target Braun went to Georgia and bad news a good DB decommited....but it is not the end of the world...the sun came up this morning and this too shall pass....

Just as the staff closed strong the past 2 years with guys we didnt think were in the mix and guys we thought we had little to no chance of getting....they will do the same this year...


Manuel most likely will not end up at UF, just like Black.
Henderson is most likely headed to Clemson.
Wideman is one of the more athletic WRs to come out in a while.
Wyman was strongly considering UF before he headed to USCe.

Dumervil isn't even looking at Florida.
Rivers is headed to Miami.
Zinter Michigan.
Braun UGA.
Cohen Auburn.
Parks PSU.

Williams looks to be headed to UGA.
Carter never even looked at UF.

LB board is non-existent.

Davis and Brooks headed out of state.
Williams heading to UGA.

We continue to get our ass handed to us in Jacksonville.
Ethan Hughes
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Eric-UF said:

Let's try and wrap some context around this and not lose sight of the fact that there are TONs of elite and great recruits on the board.....and 6 months to close on them.

Let's also not forget that this time last year, Khris Bogle was pretty much not happening....Diabate, Henderson, Hill, and Wright were not on the board or known to be a chance of signing with Florida.

Not to mention that Hammond, Zipperer, Summerall, Black, and Steele were all leaning or committed to other programs (granted, 2 of them dropped out, but that was not a lack of recruiting them).

Which elite prospects have we really missed out on this cycle?.....Beck and Bowman?..who else?


Which elite WR or TE have we missed on?

At OL, we missed on Rivers and Braun, but are still heavily in the mix for Walker in a cycle where we dont have a huge need.

Is not our DT class pretty damn solid with a chance to get even better? Who have we really lost at DT that would have been better than what we currently have?

At SDE, who have we missed on? We have 3 elite prospect we are still in the mix for...

At Rush / WDE, who have we missed on here?

LB, granted this board is not that strong....but there are still a lot of elite targets still on the board and many of whom we have had on campus and are in the hunt for. But who has the staff missed on that they were in heavy pursuit of?

DB - Avantae Williams will likely be a miss and Burns was a miss (though not sure how hot the staff was after him)....but we still have some top targets already committed in Helm and Torrence with plenty of elite options left on the board....

Point is...it is bad news that a good OL target Braun went to Georgia and bad news a good DB decommited....but it is not the end of the world...the sun came up this morning and this too shall pass....

Just as the staff closed strong the past 2 years with guys we didnt think were in the mix and guys we thought we had little to no chance of getting....they will do the same this year...
This pretty much sums up my feelings on the subject too. Everybody just needs to calm down. If today were signing day, then yes, it would be time to panic. But there's a lot that can and will happen between now and then. At this point last year, everybody was freaking about recruiting and saying that Mullen can't recruit. He ended up with a top-10 class that everybody was satisfied with. Conversely, about two years ago, everybody was jumping with joy when McElwain got commitments from Matt Corral, Ja'Marr Chase and Jacob Copeland in a matter of weeks, and of course that didn't last. This is a long process, and there's going to be ebbs and flows. When the dust settles in February, then we can look back and evaluate.
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Manuel most likely will not end up at UF, just like Black.
Henderson is most likely headed to Clemson.
Wideman is one of the more athletic WRs to come out in a while.
Wyman was strongly considering UF before he headed to USCe.

Dumervil isn't even looking at Florida.
Rivers is headed to Miami.
Zinter Michigan.
Braun UGA.
Cohen Auburn.
Parks PSU.

Williams looks to be headed to UGA.
Carter never even looked at UF.

LB board is non-existent.

Davis and Brooks headed out of state.
Williams heading to UGA.

We continue to get our ass handed to us in Jacksonville.

Manuel hasn't let the class and if he goes the way of Black, then that really isn't a sign of the staff not being able to recruit, it is a sign that the kid doesn't have his crap together.

Zinter went to Michigan....Parks went to PSU...seriously? When were they even on campus? And if Florida took Cohen, you would be complaining about signing another non elite player.

Davis was going Clemson all the way and the staff wasn't even interested in Brooks (As most staff were not, which is why his career is going to die at Georgia Tech).

No personal offense....but if we had Nick Saban as a coach you would be just as negative as you are now...
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Eric-UF said:

Swamp_Thing said:




Manuel most likely will not end up at UF, just like Black.
Henderson is most likely headed to Clemson.
Wideman is one of the more athletic WRs to come out in a while.
Wyman was strongly considering UF before he headed to USCe.

Dumervil isn't even looking at Florida.
Rivers is headed to Miami.
Zinter Michigan.
Braun UGA.
Cohen Auburn.
Parks PSU.

Williams looks to be headed to UGA.
Carter never even looked at UF.

LB board is non-existent.

Davis and Brooks headed out of state.
Williams heading to UGA.

We continue to get our ass handed to us in Jacksonville.

Manuel hasn't let the class and if he goes the way of Black, then that really isn't a sign of the staff not being able to recruit, it is a sign that the kid doesn't have his crap together.

Zinter went to Michigan....Parks went to PSU...seriously? When were they even on campus? And if Florida took Cohen, you would be complaining about signing another non elite player.

Davis was going Clemson all the way and the staff wasn't even interested in Brooks (As most staff were not, which is why his career is going to die at Georgia Tech).

No personal offense....but if we had Nick Saban as a coach you would be just as negative as you are now...


Parks was close with Harrod, but we know how that works for our coaches. So we should just discount any kid that has yet to visit UF? I have been singing Cohen's praises for a while now. He was recently the MVP of one of the Rivals camps.
Is it not our staffs job to convince players to come here? So a kid goes elsewhere and it's just excuse after excuse?

No personal offense, but you're speaking out of your ass about someone you don't even know.
Dylan Rudolph
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He definitely gets the best out of lesser talent than some other schools. If he can just get over the hump and start grabbing that top talent on the recruiting trail he is a good enough coach to have his team consistently in the playoffs.
Olivia Granaiola
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I agree with you, Dylan. While elite recruiting and elite coaching produces championships, I think elite coaching and great recruiting can win a ring more easily than both elite coaching/good recruiting or elite recruiting/good coaching.
Olivia Granaiola
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Also, for those keeping up with this post, Aaryn Parks just backed off his Penn State commitment. Could keep an eye out for him to be one of Florida's late but great gets it always seems to pull out.
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Olivia Granaiola said:

I agree with you, Dylan. While elite recruiting and elite coaching produces championships, I think elite coaching and great recruiting can win a ring more easily than both elite coaching/good recruiting or elite recruiting/good coaching.


The problem is that finishing 4th, 5th, 6th, etc in conference isn't great at all.
Eric-UF
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Agreed...but what about 2nd on our schedule?
G8rJD
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Were gonna have to beat UGA the rest of the east and split the west at the very least to get to the SEC championship...if we can do that 50% of the time Mullen will win the SEC in the next 2-4 years
Eric-UF
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Bingo!
Olivia Granaiola
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Swamp_Thing said:

Olivia Granaiola said:

I agree with you, Dylan. While elite recruiting and elite coaching produces championships, I think elite coaching and great recruiting can win a ring more easily than both elite coaching/good recruiting or elite recruiting/good coaching.


The problem is that finishing 4th, 5th, 6th, etc in conference isn't great at all.


I was looking more toward the future if Mullen can get to a level of great recruiting. I consider where he's at now pretty good.
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Eric-UF said:

Agreed...but what about 2nd on our schedule?


We're not even that.
Swamp_Thing
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Olivia Granaiola said:

Swamp_Thing said:

Olivia Granaiola said:

I agree with you, Dylan. While elite recruiting and elite coaching produces championships, I think elite coaching and great recruiting can win a ring more easily than both elite coaching/good recruiting or elite recruiting/good coaching.


The problem is that finishing 4th, 5th, 6th, etc in conference isn't great at all.


I was looking more toward the future if Mullen can get to a level of great recruiting. I consider where he's at now pretty good.


That's a big if right now.
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Swamp_Thing said:

Eric-UF said:

Agreed...but what about 2nd on our schedule?


We're not even that.


LOL, who is ahead of us aside from Georgia?
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Eric-UF said:

Swamp_Thing said:

Eric-UF said:

Agreed...but what about 2nd on our schedule?


We're not even that.


LOL, who is ahead of us aside from Georgia?


LSU. And if you want to go to the SECCG let's throw Alabama in there too. Oh and if you're talking current rankings look where Miami sets.
Eric-UF
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We dont play Alabama during the season...and losing to LSU wont matter if we beat UGA....

....Miami, LOL....aside from 2019 where we will kill them.....when do we play them next?
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Eric-UF said:

We dont play Alabama during the season...and losing to LSU wont matter if we beat UGA....

....Miami, LOL....aside from 2019 where we will kill them.....when do we play them next?


So LSU doesn't matter when you don't want it to, but using your standard both LSU and UGA have had better classes than UF.
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Swamp_Thing said:

Eric-UF said:

We dont play Alabama during the season...and losing to LSU wont matter if we beat UGA....

....Miami, LOL....aside from 2019 where we will kill them.....when do we play them next?


So LSU doesn't matter when you don't want it to, but using your standard both LSU and UGA have had better classes than UF.
Of course they matter, but to make it to the SEC Championship game, we really just need to beat Georgia and take care of the rest of the east (whom we out recruit)...Beating Georgia and losing to LSU still puts Florida in the title game.

Obviously I'd prefer to beat them both....but from a critical perspective, the Georgia game is much more critical than the LSU game.
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Eric-UF said:

Swamp_Thing said:

Eric-UF said:

We dont play Alabama during the season...and losing to LSU wont matter if we beat UGA....

....Miami, LOL....aside from 2019 where we will kill them.....when do we play them next?


So LSU doesn't matter when you don't want it to, but using your standard both LSU and UGA have had better classes than UF.
Of course they matter, but to make it to the SEC Championship game, we really just need to beat Georgia and take care of the rest of the east (whom we out recruit)...Beating Georgia and losing to LSU still puts Florida in the title game.

Obviously I'd prefer to beat them both....but from a critical perspective, the Georgia game is much more critical than the LSU game.


You're getting off the original topic, but if we're doing that then how about this...if you take Steele, Black, and Jones out of our class and look at the '19 class rankings Florida finished 13th in the nation, 7th in the SEC, behind Georgia, LSU, Auburn, and Tennessee.
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